Thanks for having me back, it’s been just a few weeks. Actually, we chatted about uaps a few weeks ago, yeah. Yes, sir. I put both questions to you. What is the potential public good of this kind of travel and exploration and research? I know you love research and what about the larger issues of inequality and ethics? So we should make. I should make a few obvious first points that there has been inequality and hunger and poor and racism and all these problems all that long predates anybody’s attempt to fly in space so to now look at success in space launches and say because we’re doing. That is why we have not solved the rest of these problems is kind of a false equivalence that’s. My first point: second, typically, what we are spending in space is much less than anyone thinks we’re spending in space it’s just that space dollars are highly visible compared with other budget items that show up in the annual in the annual portfolio, and so, for example, when We landed on the moon, nasa was, might i forgot exactly three percent four percent of the federal budget people said so that concert uh summer of seoul. We were going to the moon, while that concert was happening and so it’s a very visible use of the four percent of the tax dollar. But you didn’t hear anybody talk about the rest of the 96 percent that could be solving poverty or building schools or or or helping those who are disenfranchised.
And so i i’m just trying to appeal to people to have a more balanced sense of what parts of the budget you’re going to critique. Otherwise, it’s it’s becomes just fast headlines, we’re going to the moon, but i’m hungry. Well, okay, there’s a lot of things! We’Re doing while you’re hungry okay, that don’t immediately put food on your plate in a democracy, an elected republic, we vote every year for representatives to then create a budget of things we value. Okay, so there’s art is art, putting food on someone’s plate. No, but it creates an environment where you want to live. We do things because that’s the the identity of the country, we we want to create and we’re wealthy enough. We can do it all all so. Don’T just say: why are we spending there when we should be spending well, let’s spend it in both places period now, by the way i did the math on this. I want to know how rich jeff bezos is. The 200 million dollars is at last. I checked that’s his wealth. If that were dollar bills, you could stack them and they would reach twice the height of his if he found it yeah that would be my tweet. It will reach twice the height of the elevation that his rocket will attain. Just put that in context, no, you can say so you can say you shouldn’t say that, but he’s got plenty of money. He can do that and 20 other things.
So if you want to complain about jeff, bezos complain that he’s not helping the poor, the hungry or his workers, but that specifically wouldn’t have to directly address the fact that he wants to go into space and create an entire new with, along with branson, an entire New economic um uh branch of about what people might do on their vacations to face tourism and it’s, not just for well yeah, now it’s, just for rich people, but well let’s talk about that. Let’S talk about that part, so you’re getting us exactly to that! Next larger question, because new things are often attacked by virtue of being novel and not for any substantive reason, uh and so to your point, things that were initially thought of, as only for the one percent, whether that was in the initial air travel or other technology. Then has democratized walk us through. Is there a value to a potential private space travel market? Well, if it becomes a huge tourist industry, then there’s value all right, it’s, an economic, a previously under realized and under under uh exploited way. You might spend your vacation. Okay, is anyone complaining that you might fork up a few thousand dollars to go to disneyland no you’re enjoying yourself you’re, not saying? Why are you doing that when you could be feeding the poor? No one is creating that equation. So i can imagine a future it’s. Not hard where no it’s, not a quarter million dollars to go into space it’s, you watch the numbers drop as the as the launches increase in rate and notice.
His boosters are getting are getting returned back to the launch pad to be reused. When you fly to europe in a 747, they don’t throw it away and roll out another one. They reuse it and when you reuse, expensive technologies, you drop the average cost and in so doing you commoditize. What previously was the purview of the rich. We all saw the 1987 movie wall street and there’s this gecko on the beaches of the hamptons, with a shoulder mounted cell phone – and i remember thinking boy i wish i was rich. I could have a phone and and yeah the rich people get it first, but when everybody gets it, the product’s actually better, smaller now yeah. So so, if, if things go the way they intend, this becomes a choice that you will make going forward, as you might collect a few vacations worth of money to do that, of course um. It will be, it will cost more than going to orlando for sure, but um. I don’t see anything wrong with opening up an entire new business enterprise. This. This is america, if you, if, if you don’t, think that it should happen that way, that’s a different country, you know we think what this country is or we’ll show that so then let’s talk public private uh. The original space travel was in the in the cold war area, was government backed in in in the countries that could do it uh.
This is obviously business. Does anything come to your mind that has been publicly beneficial by having businesses uh? Do some of the research and thus pay for some of the investment? Well? Okay, so that happened with aviation. Okay, private enterprise led aviation, and you know who are the first people to fly in airplanes, rich people, okay and the the competition to carry the biggest loads or that go. The farthest became so intense all right and there was prize money, rewarding people who achieved these goals that you reach a point where, by the way my plane is big enough, i can carry people, i can carry a boat, a boatload, a plane load of people to A destination and you birth, an entire industry that is uh, we can’t, imagine a world without it so and a point about problems on earth. Before we go into space. You know what i think of i think of let’s go back to 30 000 years we’re. All in the cave and you want to go outside the cave door, and so you go to the cave elders and say i want to see what’s outside across the valley. No, we have cave problems. You have to solve those first before you exit the cave door. Given the size of the universe and the resources that await us there in asteroids and comets and and energy, i i i i think we got to keep moving that frontier, otherwise we’ll be we’ll regress back into the cave from whence we can uh beautifully put poetically.
So, and this is why we kind of wanted to look at the whole big issue, the criticism and also hear from you. I am out of time, but we do have to disclose one potential conflict, neil which is we’ve, been talking about the value of space. But from what i can tell you’ve done this entire interview yourself, while being in outer space actually just for for the record got you earth is in space and we’re all on earth. Dude wait a minute whoa deal with it we’re in space man all right. So you always end with just one more explosion: uh the night sky. They see when they go up to the high altitude yeah. You can wait until sunset and see the same sky, respect, respect dollar, dollar bills. Y’All.