Was he was ultra product focused like down to the little details, and – and he and other people at apple would really try hard to have these, both at a high level and a small level. These delightful things happen, so it just that the product just it just made you happy you know. Jobs was obviously very good with aesthetics, um and uh. You know against the technology of course, and he really answered what people wanted, even when they didnt know themselves. Well, i did try to talk to him once at a party, and it was super rude to me Laughter. You know, and i know there was like a a certain guy – had a certain magic about him. You know just sort of that was kind of that was really inspiring, so i mean i think, thats thats really great. Is there a? Is there that magic you trying to emulate uh? No, i i think steve jobs is way cooler than than i am. I want to focus on silicon valley. Steve jobs is, was, and is a wonderful silicon valley icon. Is he someone that youve admired and what have you learned from steves life and work? Well, hes. Certainly someone ive admired um. Well, i did try to talk to him once at a party and he was super rude to me, but i dont think it was me. I think i think you werent the first the end of the first no, but but uh yeah, and i was actually there with like larry page – is an old friend of mine, ive, known larry, since before he got venture funding for google and larry was the guy That introduced me to steve jobs so its not as like im going like and tugging on his coat like you know.
Please talk to me um, but you know it was introduced by larry page its, not bad so um but uh. I mean he obviously was an incredible guy and made fantastic products uh that that you know – and i know there was like a a certain um guy – had a certain magic about him. You know just sort of that was kind of that was really inspiring. So i mean, i think, thats thats really great. Is there a? Is there that magic you trying to emulate uh? No, i i think steve jobs is way cooler than i am so Music. I dropped out of reed college after the first six months, but then stayed around as a drop in for another 18 months or so before. I really quit so whyd i drop out it started before i was born. My biological mother was a young unwed graduate student and she decided to put me up for adoption. She felt very strongly that i should be adopted by college graduates, so everything was all set for me to be adopted at birth by a lawyer and his wife, except that when i popped out, they decided at the last minute that they really wanted a girl. So my parents, who were on a waiting list, got a call in the middle of the night, asking weve got an unexpected baby boy. Do you want him? They said, of course, my biological mother found out later that my mother had never graduated from college and that my father had never graduated from high school.
She refused to sign the final adoption papers. She only relented a few months later, when my parents promised that i would go to college. This was the start in my life and 17 years later i did go to college, but i naively chose a college that was almost as expensive as stanford and all of my working class parents. Savings were being spent on my college tuition after six months. I couldnt see the value in it. I had no idea what i wanted to do with my life and no idea how college was going to help me figure it out, and here i was spending all the money my parents had saved their entire life, so i decided to drop out and trust that It would all work out. Okay, it was pretty scary at the time, but looking back it was one of the best decisions i ever made. The minute i dropped out. I could stop taking the required classes that didnt interest me and begin dropping in on the ones that looked far more interesting. It wasnt all romantic. I didnt have a dorm room, so i slept on the floor in friends rooms. I returned coke bottles for the five cent deposits to buy food with, and i would walk the seven miles across town every sunday night to get one good meal a week at the hari krishna temple. I loved it and much of what i stumbled into by following my curiosity and intuition turned out to be priceless later on.
Let me give you one example: reed college at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy instruction in the country throughout the campus. Every poster every label on every drawer was beautifully hand calligraphed, because i had dropped out and didnt have to take the normal classes. I decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned about serif and sans serif typefaces about varying the amount of space between different letter combinations about what makes great typography great. It was beautiful historical artistically subtle in a way that science cant capture and i found it fascinating. None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life, but ten years later, when we were designing the first macintosh computer, it all came back to me and we designed it all into the mac. It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If i had never dropped in on that single course in college, the mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts and since windows just copied the mac its likely that no personal computer would have them Applause Music. If i had never dropped out, i would have never dropped in on that calligraphy class and personal computers might not have the wonderful typography that they do. Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when i was in college, but it was very, very clear. Looking backwards, 10 years later again, you cant connect the dots looking forward.
You can only connect them looking backwards, so you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future.